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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by insta » Thu May 07, 2015 4:31 pm

jimc wrote:Good luck on the bed heater. One that big draws major power and cost big money. Just iff the top if my head that size will draw somewhere between 4000-6000 watts. It will have to run 240vac. Then again the $1k youll prob pay for the heater will be nothing compared to the elec bill..lol
Based on recent posts I don't think Volcom7114 is going to care about a $1k bed heater
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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by Slipshine » Thu May 07, 2015 9:09 pm

Volcom7114 wrote: So I do need some help with something and that is I need a bed heater that's um well 4' x 4'...so is there anyone who custom makes them? Or what could some options be??

:D
You could try these guys.

http://www.egpglass.com/products/thermi ... at-plates/

to go a different way you could get a piece of 1" aluminum plate and have holes drilled thru every inch or so
then plum the whole thing through a small boiler . (steam heat for a house)

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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by Volcom7114 » Fri May 08, 2015 3:31 pm

jimc wrote:Good luck on the bed heater. One that big draws major power and cost big money. Just iff the top if my head that size will draw somewhere between 4000-6000 watts. It will have to run 240vac. Then again the $1k youll prob pay for the heater will be nothing compared to the elec bill..lol


I'm fine with whatever the cost is and as for electric wellll most people would drop dead if they seen my electric bill each month as it is.. :) I have a full blown machine shop running an American Rotary 30hp ADK rotary phase converter for 3ph and I live in the middle of no where so my electric company is a co-op :/ now I do have plans to off set my 4 figure per month bill will some solar panels and wind turbines but I have a lot on my plate right now but I am hoping to get it done by the end of the summer.. By the way electric fork lift battery's work great for your storage bank.

Anyway ( I get side tracked easy lol) I figured it would be a juice sucker but I went through some other heating options and can't really find anything that will be accurate.. Now if you or anyone else has any ideas please let me know my time for research on the computer is limited sadly and you all have been into an around the whole world of 3D printing longer than I have :)

As far as power supplies go I can make one not a problem but your right that's some major wattage.. I have a soldering work station that's also able to reflow so I'm pretty good there.. Or should I go this route with maybe running two bed heaters?? It's not something that I have to get done and ordered yesterday but it's not far off either..

Some days I just wanna bang my head off the wall lol :lol:

On a better note tho MG shipped out my V4 dual extruder set up so that will be exciting to tinker with :)

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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by Volcom7114 » Fri May 08, 2015 3:38 pm

Slipshine wrote:
Volcom7114 wrote: So I do need some help with something and that is I need a bed heater that's um well 4' x 4'...so is there anyone who custom makes them? Or what could some options be??

:D
You could try these guys.

http://www.egpglass.com/products/thermi ... at-plates/

to go a different way you could get a piece of 1" aluminum plate and have holes drilled thru every inch or so
then plum the whole thing through a small boiler . (steam heat for a house)


Lol that sounds like fun and I do have the aluminum flat sheet but it would be hard to control the temperature and as it moved throught the aluminum it would have hot and cold spots.. :/

Now It does give me the idea of casting aluminum around copper pipe but it would weigh a lot more than I want to play with also hmmm lol

By the way thanks for the link! I really do appreciate all the help!

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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by Volcom7114 » Fri May 08, 2015 3:52 pm

insta wrote:
jimc wrote:Good luck on the bed heater. One that big draws major power and cost big money. Just iff the top if my head that size will draw somewhere between 4000-6000 watts. It will have to run 240vac. Then again the $1k youll prob pay for the heater will be nothing compared to the elec bill..lol
Based on recent posts I don't think Volcom7114 is going to care about a $1k bed heater

To be truthful I really was thinking along the lines of 2 grand or more for a bed heater so anything saved is great and means I can check out more awesome STUFF! Lol

whats funny is my home owners insurance agent has a value set on my shop at 3 times what I paid for my house and I paid less for the stuff than I did for my house. Lol they are crazy!

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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by Dale Reed » Fri May 08, 2015 6:10 pm

A Google search of "silicone heater" turns up a couple possibilities...

Maybe take a look at Watlow or Omega (for example: http://www.omega.com/pptst/SRFR_SRFG.html ). The Omega ones go up to 12x48 inches, and on that page it looks like the 12x24 are in stock. So to go 4' x 4', you'd need four of the former or 8 of the latter (the latter at $112-ish list per). So I'm guessing you could do for under $1000 total --- you'd have to do some "combiner box" wiring to feed the whole set, but that's minimal compared to the cost of the heaters. The only thing I didn't look at was voltage and amperage.

You can get little 1/8 DIN temperature controllers on Amazon for about 20 bucks, and another 20 or 30 for a big solid-state relay on a heat sink. Sensors (RTD, thermocouple) also available there.

Now, where to put the temperature SENSOR for best control?
Dale

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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by Volcom7114 » Fri May 08, 2015 6:51 pm

Dale Reed wrote:A Google search of "silicone heater" turns up a couple possibilities...

Maybe take a look at Watlow or Omega (for example: http://www.omega.com/pptst/SRFR_SRFG.html ). The Omega ones go up to 12x48 inches, and on that page it looks like the 12x24 are in stock. So to go 4' x 4', you'd need four of the former or 8 of the latter (the latter at $112-ish list per). So I'm guessing you could do for under $1000 total --- you'd have to do some "combiner box" wiring to feed the whole set, but that's minimal compared to the cost of the heaters. The only thing I didn't look at was voltage and amperage.

You can get little 1/8 DIN temperature controllers on Amazon for about 20 bucks, and another 20 or 30 for a big solid-state relay on a heat sink. Sensors (RTD, thermocouple) also available there.

Now, where to put the temperature SENSOR for best control?
Dale

Dale Thanks a ton man! I think i have a few DIN's around here some where and I have a box of solid-state relays of different flavors but I definitely think that's a damn good idea! I'll get on their site now and check it out...

Much Thanks guys! when I have my next conference call I'm going to ask if I can share this build at least on this forum. I'm not breaking new ground with what I'm doing at all just my own twist to it..Oh and a few inches bigger than the norm ;)

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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by insta » Fri May 08, 2015 7:35 pm

what the hell do you do for a living

how is money spraying out of every orifice


edit: do you want to adopt a 29 year old fat bald software developer
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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by Volcom7114 » Sat May 09, 2015 1:22 pm

insta wrote:what the hell do you do for a living

how is money spraying out of every orifice


edit: do you want to adopt a 29 year old fat bald software developer

LMAO!! :lol: Well you asked!! First off I'm a disabled vet, I spent 13 years in the Navy and after 3 years I went into Special Forces and there I went to college (after I was broken in of course) and got my masters degree in mechanical engineering and a minor in Biological Warfare.. Then one sandy day my team and I took on what was to be a small mission from another group and the 4 Hummers we were riding in got hit with an IED and I woke up 8 months later in Walter Reed Medical Center.. 2 years of learning to walk again among other things and here I am but instead of just giving up on life (cuz at the time my wife just had out first baby boy) I went back to my roots and bought up a bunch of machines for my garage and then just played around and a buddy's dad who makes movie props for Disney wanted help with the Star Wars movies Disney bought out and I said why not so its blew up to way way more than I even thought it would and now that's just what I do.. I'm a full time father to two boys 7 and 3 and a husband/ supporter to my wife who's going to med school to be a physicians assistant. So my garage in under my house it's half basement and half garage and you couldn't pull a car in the garage of you wanted to lol :) that's my life.. I just live each and every day to its fullest!!

Um adopt well not right now lol we are looking to add a master bedroom onto our house as it is so I lack room.. Haha :)

I'm not rich I just don't go anywhere and I save my pennies lol :) I took and early retirement (I had no choice) but I was still to young to sit on a couch and watch life pass by;)

I do have nerve damage to both legs and some short term memory loss so I write a lot of notes lol but I'm here that's what counts and I don't want pitty from anyone it's called life and could have been much worse just be positive and when you think you have it bad just think of those who have it much worse.. ;)

Dennis aka Big D ;)

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Re: Smoothieboard

Post by Jules » Sat May 09, 2015 2:53 pm

Great attitude Dennis.....you'll live to be a hundred, thinking like that! :D

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