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Jules
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Re: esun petg_ First PETG print

Post by Jules » Tue May 26, 2015 7:39 pm

First, and most important..... a HUGE thank you to all you guys for working out all of the settings to try this with.....it made the calibration go a whooooole lot smoother! :D :D :D

My first shot with PETG was using the opaque black - it really is gorgeous, and a lot more flexible than the PLA, so there's probably going to be a lot of applications for it.

I studied :roll: all 26 pages :roll: of posts in this thread before printing with it, and I'm thrilled with the results. I do have a couple of questions for those of you who have been printing longer with ABS and PETG. (I should mention that I am still using the V3b, so I'm a bit limited as to the temps I can take it up to, but I wanted to test it on the V3b first for comparison, and to avoid the possibility of a jam with the heat traveling up the shorter V4 nozzle?)
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Same file printed in PLA at the top and PETG at the bottom. I deliberately chose one that did not run in linear patterns to force the nozzle to jump around to test my settings. No stringing worth mentioning. You can't even see the pattern on it unless you hold it up in the sun. My question is, are the little occasional edge boogers normal to PETG and ABS because of build up on the nozzle? (There weren't very many, but it does add that bit of extra cleanup, and if it's one of my settings, I'd like to fix it before saving the profile.)

The other question relates to overhangs....they are a bit sloppy at the top. (You can't see it on the photo - too small.) The little tags on that file have a fairly stiff overhang - not quite 45°, so i printed it without support. Would hitting it with more fan help that out the way it does with PLA? Or was I running too much fan (60%)?

(Once I get these last little bits worked out, I'll be happy to post the V3B profile if anyone wants it before swapping out to the V4. :) )

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Re: esun petg

Post by PcS » Tue May 26, 2015 7:44 pm

I run 100 % fan with petg. No runs do drips no errors !!! Lol And ....at least for me....the V4 have never jammed on anything !!! Unless it was my fault ! And then it is simple to clear and get back to printing. Honestly the V4 makes this a six star printer !!! Lol :D

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Re: esun petg

Post by Jules » Tue May 26, 2015 7:52 pm

PcS wrote:I run 100 % fan with petg. No runs do drips no errors !!! Lol And ....at least for me....the V4 have never jammed on anything !!! Unless it was my fault ! And then it is simple to clear and get back to printing. Honestly the V4 makes this a six star printer !!! Lol :D
Chuckle! I've learned to go slowly in life, but i swear i'll be switching to the V4 soon! I've just been having so much fun with the V3b it hasn't been necessary yet. :lol:

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Re: esun petg

Post by jsc » Tue May 26, 2015 8:46 pm

The boogers are generally due to nozzle buildup. Are you running an increased infill extrusion width? The build up seems to mostly happen during infill, and increasing it (but not too much) seems to help there.

I found that running the fan full blast completely destroys layer adhesion, so I've been leaving it off.

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Re: esun petg

Post by Jules » Tue May 26, 2015 9:13 pm

jsc wrote:The boogers are generally due to nozzle buildup. Are you running an increased infill extrusion width? The build up seems to mostly happen during infill, and increasing it (but not too much) seems to help there.

I found that running the fan full blast completely destroys layer adhesion, so I've been leaving it off.
Had to go back and check, but yes, I had infill width at 120%. Should I lower that or raise it a bit?

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Re: esun petg

Post by jimc » Tue May 26, 2015 10:43 pm

nothing wrong with 120. thats fine. its just when people go and set it to 170-200% or something like that. petg is sticky so any strings or overextrusion loves collecting on the nozzle. it tends to get these little micro fine hairs during jumps. this collects on the nozzle as well. a little more retraction and bump the temp down 5 deg at a time. as jin said, infill can be a contributor to the nozzle boogers. i found that if the infill does not go down nice and perfect and its broken or jagged then the parts sticking up end up on the nozzle. adding a little extra infill width usually cures this with s3d. just dont add too much. 120-140% is good. petg is a great material but its not as forgiving as pla. that window where it prints really nice is much smaller so you gotta dial it in really well.

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Re: esun petg

Post by Jules » Tue May 26, 2015 11:46 pm

Thanks Jim and Jin! :D (I'll try 130% as a compromise.)

I'll post the settings I used, you guys might spot something else that could be tweaked for better results. (They weren't bad for a first shot, but we strive for perfection! Chuckle!)

V3B PETG settings for the eSUN Black Opaque:

1. Calibration.

2. Extruder:
Extrusion Multiplier: 0.85 (for this roll)
Extrusion Width: 0.40 mm
Retraction Distance: 1.20 mm
Z-Lift: 0 (not needed, and it was causing strings)
Retraction Speed: 2400 mm/min
Coasting: None (Tried it but it was thinning out the threads too much)
Wipe Nozzle-yes
Wipe Distance: 5.00 mm

3. Layer:
Layer height: 0.2 mm
Top layers: varies
Bottom layers: varies
Perimeter Shells: varies
Outside-in
First layer height: 100%
First Layer Width: 110%
First Layer Speed: 50%
Optimize start points for printing speed

4. Infill
Interior fill percentage: varies
Outline overlap: 10%
Infill extrusion width: 130%
Minimum infill length: 4 mm

5. Support
Support infill percentage: 10%
No dense support
Horizontal offset: 0.2 mm
Upper separation layers: 1
Lower separation layers: 0

6. Temperature
Extruder:
Layer 1 temp: 250°C
Layer 2 temp: 242 - 247°C
Bed: Hairspray on Kapton
Bed temp: 85°C - 87°C (no problems with the sticking so far, but i might up it for taller prints)

7. Cooling
Layer 1: 0
Layer 2: 0% If you want strength in your layer bonds, use zero bed fan, extruder temp: 242, bed temp: 85
Layer 2: 100% If you want a nicer surface finish, or need bridging in the part, use 100% bed fan on layer 2, but increase the extruder temp to 247°, and the bed temp to 87°

8. G-code
z-Offset: -0.17mm (varies depending on which glass i use.)

9. Scripts
Inserted Jin's de-celeration code in the Startup Code:
M201 X1000 Y1000 ; slows acceleration

10. Other
Default printing speed: 3200 mm/min
Outline underspeed: 60%
Solid infill underspeed: 80%
Support structure underspeed: 80%
X/Y axis movement speed: 14800 mm/min
Z axis movement speed: 1200 mm/min
Filament diameter: 1.73 mm
Bridging extrusion multiplier: 100%
Bridging speed multiplier: 110%

11. Advanced
Heal non-manifold segments
Allow Gap Fill
Allowed perimeter overlap: 0%
Only retract when crossing open spaces. (unchecked)
Perform retraction during wipe.
Force retraction between layers.
Only wipe for outermost perimeters.

I imagine that if i get into something that requires bridging, I'm going to need to fiddle with that bridging multiplier - this stuff prints so slowly that it might sag.
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Re: esun petg

Post by Jules » Wed May 27, 2015 1:00 am

Uhum! Okay, I'm guessing that the fan has to be turned on at 100% then lowered to 60% if desired?
Just noticed that the second fan did not turn on at all. Going to need to mess with that setting too.

So i haven't been printing with the fan at 60%. Make that zero.

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Re: esun petg

Post by PcS » Wed May 27, 2015 1:20 am

Make sure the check box blip fan to full power is checked. Should eliminate that problem.Or at least it did fom me !

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Re: esun petg

Post by Jules » Wed May 27, 2015 1:26 am

Now I've got a bigger problem, I'm afraid. I was printing the V4 single filament drive (just to have a spare) and it just stopped dead about 75% into it. Unfortunately it stopped with the nozzle buried comfortably inside the print.

It was so secure that hitting emergency stop did not even cause the bed to drop, it was just hanging around connected to the nozzle by the print. :lol:

(i really do love this machine....it's a challenge. Wonder what the heck could have happened to cause that?)

Anyway, I guess I'll have to start checking it over....after dinner.

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