Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files)

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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby mathisyourfriend » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:20 am

Sorry if I missed it. I'm curious how the initial bed leveling process is different for the dual extruder. I saw the video on the quick start app but it just shows the single head printer. What extra steps are involved? Thanks.
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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby mathisyourfriend » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:06 am

I think I found it. Got my new Ella Guru in today (I name all my printers that: "She know all the colors that nature do"). Downloaded the quick start app, got It all set up and ready to go but can't really start until Friday (life interfering). I feel like I'm in over my head with the change to dual extruders (just like I felt when I got my first printer.) Exciting/confusing times ahead! WooHoo!!!
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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby Jules » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:49 am

Sorry, didn't see this until just now....the leveling process is the same for both. :)
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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby mathisyourfriend » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:26 pm

Being a teacher on a snow day with a new M2 is pretty great! I got the Quickstart app done. I just did the left extruder and the process was much faster than the Makergear video on youtube. It went only to 3 places, had me test for the gap and then said it was ready. I tested the right extruder the same time as the left while this was going on and it seemed to be the same height. I got the bracelet and Ed's calibration "cube" done on the left extruder and the results were good.
Is it ok to just try the same process with the right extruder? Am I missing some extra step/tweak?

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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby Jules » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:34 pm

No, you just run through the process with one of the extruders, then you set the depth of the second one in relation to the first one. :D
(That part comes later in the Dual Extruder part of the write-up in the Beginner's Guide.)
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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby mathisyourfriend » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:01 pm

I saw that in the writeup. I'm dialing in the left first (thanks for the .fff's), doing some calibration prints and trying something with support before I go to the right extruder. When I get there I'll have a question about the raising of the right nozzle part before making it level to the left nozzle.
"The weather outside is frightful...". Good times. Thanks again

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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby mathisyourfriend » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:59 pm

Is there a dual .fff for the PolySupport as the support instead of PVA. Or, if there are few differences what are they. Looks like a foot of snow Tuesday. Let the good times roll...
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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby Jules » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:45 am

No, I only set up the profiles for the filament I had used. If you know the correct settings for temperatures, you can modify one of the support profiles for that and save it under a different name. Should be a fair starting point.
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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby newton715 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:20 am

Jules wrote:
Jules wrote:Unfortunately, not that I've found. You can't make it display as a single when you are using a dual. (That lovely layout is necessary for you to know you are working with a dual that has a limted bed span on one of the nozzles, I guess.)


Well "Butter my backside and call me a biscuit!" I just found it. :lol:

Go to Tools > Options > Models and in there is a selection about using the old method of viewing. I have no idea what it said originally, because once you implement it - the whole layout goes back to the older one, and you no longer have the option of changing it back. The software will warn you to remove any prints on the board before it lets you change.

I have no idea if it actually works or not with the dual - in order to go back, you will probably need to uninstall and re-install S3D.

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I was able to get this to switch between the different platforms and X ranges just by selecting the options in the auto-configure extruders menu. Now when I click "left only", I'm shown the full 200mm of the plate with the origin in the corner. When I select "dual" or "right only" I see the reduced build plate with the origin shifted over 25mm. I don't see why this couldn't be set up so that one profile could be used for the dual and single version of the M2.

I started manually editing the XML of the M2 Dual fff profile.

I added these two snippets

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    <printerModelsOverride>MakerGear_M2Dual.stl</printerModelsOverride>
    <strokeXoverride>175</strokeXoverride>


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    <printerModelsOverride>MakerGear_M2Single.stl</printerModelsOverride>
    <strokeXoverride>200</strokeXoverride>


to this section (dual and right are both using the same snippet) in the code below:

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<autoConfigureExtruders name="Right Extruder Only" allowedToolheads="1">
    <primaryExtruder>1</primaryExtruder>
    <raftExtruder>1</raftExtruder>
    <skirtExtruder>1</skirtExtruder>
    <infillExtruder>1</infillExtruder>
    <supportExtruder>1</supportExtruder>
    <useSkirt>1</useSkirt>
    <usePrimePillar>1</usePrimePillar>
    <useOozeShield>1</useOozeShield>
    <toggleTemperatureController name="Right Extruder" status="on" stabilize="on"/>
    <toggleTemperatureController name="Left Extruder" status="off" stabilize="off"/>
    <startingGcode>M108 S255 ; Turn on M2 fans,T1 ; Switch to right extruder offsets for homing,G28 ; Home all axes,T0 ; Switch to left extruder,G1 X0 Y50 Z0.3 F9600 ; Move forward to avoid binder clips,G1 X200 Z10 F3600 ; Move off platform,G1 Z0.4 ; Position nozzle above buildplate,T1 ; Switch to right extruder,G92 E0 ; Zero extruder,G1 E25 F225 ; Purge right extruder,G92 E0 ; Zero extruder,G1 X160 Z0.1 E1.0 F1200 ; Slow wipe,G1 X140 Z0.25 ; Lift,</startingGcode>
    <printerModelsOverride>MakerGear_M2Dual.stl</printerModelsOverride>
    <strokeXoverride>175</strokeXoverride>
  </autoConfigureExtruders>
  <autoConfigureExtruders name="Left Extruder Only" allowedToolheads="1">
    <primaryExtruder>0</primaryExtruder>
    <raftExtruder>0</raftExtruder>
    <skirtExtruder>0</skirtExtruder>
    <infillExtruder>0</infillExtruder>
    <supportExtruder>0</supportExtruder>
    <useSkirt>1</useSkirt>
    <usePrimePillar>0</usePrimePillar>
    <useOozeShield>0</useOozeShield>
    <toggleTemperatureController name="Right Extruder" status="off" stabilize="off"/>
    <toggleTemperatureController name="Left Extruder" status="on" stabilize="on"/>
    <startingGcode>M108 S255 ; Turn on M2 fans,T1 ; Switch to right extruder offsets for homing,G28 ; Home all axes,T0 ; Switch to left extruder,G1 X0 Y50 Z0.3 F1000 ; Move forward to avoid binder clips,G1 X200 Z10 F3600 ; Move off platform,G1 Z0.4 ; Position nozzle above buildplate,G92 E0 ; Zero extruder,G1 E25 F225 ; Purge left extruder,G92 E0 ; Zero extruder,G1 X160 Z0.1 E1.0 F1200 ; Slow wipe,G1 X140 Z0.25 ; Lift,M201 X1000 Y1000 ; Reduce acceleration,,</startingGcode>
    <printerModelsOverride>MakerGear_M2Single.stl</printerModelsOverride>
    <strokeXoverride>200</strokeXoverride>
  </autoConfigureExtruders>
  <autoConfigureExtruders name="Both Extruders" allowedToolheads="2">
    <primaryExtruder>0</primaryExtruder>
    <raftExtruder>0</raftExtruder>
    <skirtExtruder>999</skirtExtruder>
    <infillExtruder>0</infillExtruder>
    <supportExtruder>0</supportExtruder>
    <useSkirt>1</useSkirt>
    <usePrimePillar>0</usePrimePillar>
    <useOozeShield>1</useOozeShield>
    <toggleTemperatureController name="Right Extruder" status="on" stabilize="on"/>
    <toggleTemperatureController name="Left Extruder" status="on" stabilize="on"/>
    <startingGcode>M108 S255 ; Turn on M2 fans,T1 ; Switch to right extruder offsets for homing,G28 ; Home all axes,T0 ; Switch to left extruder,G1 X0 Y50 Z0.3 F9600 ; Move forward to avoid binder clips,G1 X200 Z10 F3600 ; Move off platform,G1 Z0.4 ; Position nozzle above buildplate,G92 E0 ; Zero extruder,G1 E25 F225 ; Purge left extruder,G92 E0 ; Zero extruder,T1 ; Set right extruder,G1 E25 F225 ; Purge right extruder,G92 E0 ; Zero extruder,G1 X160 Z0.1 E1.0 F1200 ; Slow wipe,G1 X140 Z0.25 ; Lift</startingGcode>
    <printerModelsOverride>MakerGear_M2Dual.stl</printerModelsOverride>
    <strokeXoverride>175</strokeXoverride>
  </autoConfigureExtruders>


I also changed the startup script for the "left extruder option" to skip the tool change before homing so I get the full range of the bed.

I'm still experimenting with this but manually editing the FFF file has giving me much finer grain control and understanding of what S3D is doing when I use the different auto-configurations. It seems that what ever tags/settings that I encapsulate in each autoconfig group, S3D will update that setting. Say for example, that I want support to be enabled whenever I use a certain material. If I add the generateSupport tags in the block like below:

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<autoConfigureMaterial name="PETG (left) PLA (right)">
   ...
   <generateSupport>1</generateSupport>
</autoConfigureMaterial>


support will now get turned on when I select that material. If I disable support when I have that material selected, S3D will now update that material to disable support when I select it. So If I want all my materials to remember whether I want support enabled or not, then I would need to manually add the tags in for each material configurations.

This is rather tedious, but could be very useful once configured to one's liking. :)
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Re: Dual Extruder M2 Rev. E Profiles - Simplify3D (FFF files

Postby insta » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:12 pm

Same research as here -- viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5679

But, yes, this configuration is very powerful, but only accessible via XML :(
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