What's the smallest/finest bolt you can print on an M2?

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What's the smallest/finest bolt you can print on an M2?

Post by sprior » Thu May 01, 2014 4:38 am

I'm pretty amazed at how the Makerbolt on Thingiverse prints and how smoothly it works. I'm wondering how small a bolt/nut with what standard threads you can reasonably print on an M2 and have it come out OK - has anyone done any experiments?

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Re: What's the smallest/finest bolt you can print on an M2?

Post by Tim » Sat May 03, 2014 3:46 am

I use bolts to hold things together, but personally, I wouldn't print them. Looking smooth is one thing. Holding up against shear forces is quite another.

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Re: What's the smallest/finest bolt you can print on an M2?

Post by sprior » Sat May 03, 2014 4:22 am

There may situations where they could come in useful, I'm just trying to collect info on how small/fine they can be and print well.

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Re: What's the smallest/finest bolt you can print on an M2?

Post by ednisley » Mon May 05, 2014 12:04 am

sprior wrote:what standard threads you can reasonably print on an M2
From what I've read, 1/4-20 is about as small as you can expect. A 0.20 mm layer thickness gives only 6.3 layers per turn, so each layer occupies a 60° angle: the "thread" won't be very smooth. Of course, you can reduce the layer thickness to get smoother threads, but then you run into the XY resolution limit: a 1/4 inch bolt's minor diameter spans barely a dozen 0.4 mm threads.

I reverse-engineered the thread on a broom handle before discovering (duh) that it was a bone-stock 3/4-5 Acme thread:
http://softsolder.com/2013/04/01/broom- ... ment-plug/

Some OpenSCAD improvements let me add the thread dedendum, not that it really mattered:
http://softsolder.com/2013/06/19/broom- ... -dedendum/

But using a better (i.e., less wrong) thread form made the printing orientation more critical. Splitting the threaded cylinder and printing the two halves horizontally produced much better results:
http://softsolder.com/2013/11/07/broom- ... ientation/

If you wanted a real V-form thread, rather than the crude cylindrical segments I used, the overhang would probably wreck the result.

For scale, there's a 1/4-20 carriage bolt running down the middle of that cylinder:
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Post by jimc » Mon May 05, 2014 12:18 am

haha ed thats fantastic. i see you posted the openscad code which i know nothing about. do you have an stl you would be willing to share for that? the two halves i guess.

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Re: What's the smallest/finest bolt you can print on an M2?

Post by sprior » Mon May 05, 2014 12:25 am

1/4-20 starts to be interesting because for example I think that's the thread camera tripod mounts are.

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Post by ednisley » Mon May 05, 2014 1:42 am

jimc wrote:an stl you would be willing to share for that? the two halves i guess.
Here ya go:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/785 ... 2%20mm.stl

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It's built for 0.20 mm layer thickness and 0.40 mm thread width, although that shouldn't affect anything other than the glue gutters around the alignment pin holes, which fit 1.75 mm filament pegs.

That'll spin around on my Dropbox account until I need the space for something else, which should take at least a few months...

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Post by jimc » Mon May 05, 2014 1:45 am

awesome ed! thanks. i saw that and it just seemed like a real handy file to have on hand.

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Re: What's the smallest/finest bolt you can print on an M2?

Post by ednisley » Mon May 05, 2014 1:47 am

sprior wrote:camera tripod mounts
I wouldn't screw anything heavier than a webcam onto a printed 1/4-20 bolt, but your mileage will certainly vary!
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Re: What's the smallest/finest bolt you can print on an M2?

Post by sprior » Mon May 05, 2014 1:51 am

Yeah, I was thinking webcam or a small point and shoot, NOT my Canon DSLR.

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