Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by Jules » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:57 pm

Wow....now that's a closeup! :lol:

Kind of hard to tell from that, might be a little too tight on the Filament Drive Screw tension - that's a bit deep looking to me.

But you should also try reducing your Retraction Speed like Ed suggested. (1800 mm/min is what I use....Extruder tab.)

Because that filament end looks like it's twisting the filament as it pulls back up on it in the drive - it's almost cutting a spiral groove in it. :?

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by dramsey » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:42 am

It gets even better: here's the result of an 8-fob print:

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The fobs were printed in the order numbered, takes about 32 minutes per fob. Fobs 1 and 2 are perfect. Fob 3 might be showing a little stringiness. Fob 4 looks horrible. Fob 5 was where I stopped things, because very little filament was being extruded. The clicking was virtually constant.

This was all in a single print job. Now, each fob does have its own process, but all the process settings are identical.

I've just spent a productive-- at least, that's what I tell myself-- half hour adjusting the tension screw, feeding in filament, retracting filament, and looking at the tooth marks. I started by tightening the screw one-half turn, which produced constant clicking when I pressed the "Extrude" button in Simplify3D's jog controls. I loosened the screw until this noise stopped, then went back a tiny bit further. I've settled on one-eighth of a turn looser than it was originally, and the tooth marks look good. We'll see how it goes.

(Of course, if it was a problem with the tension screw, how could it print for almost two hours straight before seeing a problem? Perhaps it was on the ragged edge of being too tight and the filament diameter increased a few hundredths, pushing things over the edge?)

((Thanks for the photo compliment. That's why people buy Micro Nikkor lenses. Love the newer versions with image stabilization built in.))

Oh, and PcS: the extruder has a month of what I'd call casual use. Maybe a hundred hours? And there's no spitting or other indication of water-logged PLA.

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by jsc » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:02 am

One more thing to check is your filament drive gear. It can become worn, become loose on the shaft, or get filled up with filament crud. Dismount the filament drive and look at the gear, make sure it has no play, make sure it is not gunked up.

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by dramsey » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:10 am

jsc wrote:One more thing to check is your filament drive gear. It can become worn, become loose on the shaft, or get filled up with filament crud. Dismount the filament drive and look at the gear, make sure it has no play, make sure it is not gunked up.
That's certainly something I'll do if the problem recurs (I kinda think it will). Don't suppose anyone's written an illustrated tutorial on this? I guess I can just start removing screws until I get it off...

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by PcS » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:22 am

clicking while extruding usually is the gear slipping slightly while printing. tightening the filament drive screw will should fix that. how fast are you printing ?

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by dramsey » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:44 am

OK, opened up the extruder drive (that was easy) and the gear and its mating roller look clean.

My most recent test printed one good fob and started stringing on the second one. Stringing and clicking go together. The sequence is that I can print one or two good parts, then clicking and stringing creep in, and after, say, 15 minutes the clicking is constant and almost no filament is being extruded.

On this last test the adjustment screw was almost as loose as it would go, so this time I'm tightening it up a little.

The mystery-- to me at least-- is why I can print for sometimes over an hour before the problem occurs. Has anyone ever seen this kind of delayed problem before?

EDIT: Nope, that didn't work either; immediate stringing and clicking. At this point I've tested tension screw adjustments from one-eighth turn tighter than full loose, to one-half turn past that, in 1/8 turn increments. And I'm clean out of things to try. Arg.

PcS: You asked what speed I'm printing at: 3800mm/minute.

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by dramsey » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:05 am

Now it's at the point where clicking occurs when loading filament, at almost any tension screw setting.

Although filament does come out of the nozzle, it seems to be coming out at a slight angle, and tends to bunch up around the nozzle in a little tangled ball rather than dropping straight down.

Partially clogged nozzle? Clearing suggestions? (Or any suggestions, really. You folks are very helpful and I'm not picky.)

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by PcS » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:12 am

It could be a partial clog. What temp are you running ? You might try 2400 and 210. I have seen this in the past printing in a cold room the prolonged filament feeding cools the nozzle slightly. The faster you print the greater the effect.clicking means tighten the screw...turn the heat up ....slow down....or unclog that nozzle !!! Lol

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by dramsey » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:29 am

PcS wrote:It could be a partial clog. What temp are you running ? You might try 2400 and 210. I have seen this in the past printing in a cold room the prolonged filament feeding cools the nozzle slightly. The faster you print the greater the effect.clicking means tighten the screw...turn the heat up ....slow down....or unclog that nozzle !!! Lol
I think the default profile was 215 degrees, but I turned it down to 205 on recommendations I received here. The room is sub-70 degrees much of the day. That's something to try tomorrow!

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Re: Odd "chirp" from extruder, excess stringing

Post by jsc » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:29 am

It does sound like a partial clog. The easiest thing to try is to take something very skinny and heat resistant (a single strand thin guitar string works well) and shove it up the nozzle while it's hot. If that doesn't work, you have to resort to taking everything apart until you have a bare nozzle and blowtorch or solvent cleanse it with paint stripper. Then you need to put it all back together, with Teflon thread tape. It's kind of a pain. Try the guitar string first.

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